Gold Manipulation Beginning To Appear In Mainstream Media


(from an Australian paper, HeraldSun-Beveridge-04-04-2010)

New York Post Article on Gold Manipulation

The New York Post reports that trader blows whistle on Gold and Silver price manipulation.

Metal$ are in the pits
By MICHAEL GRAY
Last Updated: 4:33 AM, April 11, 2010

There is no silver lining to the activities of JPMorgan Chase and HSBC in the precious-metals market here and in London, says a 40-year veteran of the metal pits.

The banks, which do the Federal Reserve's bidding in the metals markets, have long been the government's lead actors in keeping down the prices of gold and silver, according to a former Goldman Sachs trader working at the London Bullion Market Association.

Maguire was scheduled to testify last week before the Commodities Futures Trade Commission, which is looking into the activities of large banks in the metals market, but was knocked off the list at the last moment. So, he went public.

Maguire -- in an exclusive interview with The Post -- explained JPMorgan's role in the metals pits in both London and here, and how they can generate a profit either way the market moves.

"JPMorgan acts as an agent for the Federal Reserve; they act to halt the rise of gold and silver against the US dollar. JPMorgan is insulated from potential losses [on their short positions] by the Fed and/or the US taxpayer," Maguire said.

In the gold pits, Maguire sees HSBC betting against the precious metal's price without having any skin in the game in the form of a naked short.

"HSBC conducts an ongoing manipulative concentrated naked short position in gold. Silver is much easier to manipulate due to its much smaller [market] size," Maguire added.

"No one at JPMorgan is familiar with Andrew Maguire," said Brian Marchiony, a company spokesman. HSBC declined to comment.

Also during the CFTC hearing,
Jeff Christian, founder of the commodities firm CPM Group, said that the LBMA, the physical delivery market for gold and silver in the UK, has been using leverage, which is another way to depress the price of gold and silver.

Christian said that the LBMA -- the same market Maguire trades in -- has leverage of about 100-1 on the gold bars settled on the exchange. In layman's terms, that means if 100 clients requested their bullion bars be delivered, the exchange could only give one client the precious metal.

The remaining requests would have to be settled for cash equivalent.
"That is tantamount to a default on the trade," says Bill Murphy, chairman of the Gold Antitrust Action committee.

Maguire goes further and calls it a fraud:
"If you sell something you do not own, then that is fraud."
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Goldseek asks Is The Cartel Failing?

Is The Cartel Failing? What Next?
-- Posted Friday, 16 April 2010
DEEPCASTER LLC
www.deepcaster.com

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Two weeks ago, we wrote of the Impending Test of Cartel* Strength. In last week's article, we chronicled the increasing number of Exposés of the Fed-led Cartel's Gold and Silver (and other Markets) Price Manipulation Regime which were appearing in the Mainstream Financial Media.

And on Sunday, April 11, 2010 an Exposé of Cartel Market Rigging Broke into the Mainstream Media itself with the New York Post article "Metal$ are in the Pits: Trader blows whistle on Gold and Silver price manipulation".
We credit the Lealers of the Gold Anti-trust Action Committee as the prime movers behind this much-needed Media Coverage.

And now one wonders how Irate Homeowners will respond to learning about Market Rigging in High Places.

All this immediately raises questions: is this the beginning of the end of effective Cartel Suppression of Precious Metals Prices? What are the consequences? How can Investors Profit and Protect?

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Yes, The Fed-led Cartel is under increasing pressure.

Not only is The private for-profit Fed still furiously battling behind the scenes (for a result favorable to them — e.g. No 'Audit the Fed' Bill) on the Financial "Reform" Bill still in process in Congress. (See Deepcaster's "Surmounting The Armageddon Scenario & Cartel 'End Game'" (02/26/2010) in the 'Articles by Deepcaster' Cache at www.deepcaster.com.) But also Mainstream Financial Media reports are increasingly both damning and revealing. For example:

- A Metals Trader in London claimed his colleague at JP Morgan bragged of their ability to knock down the Silver price at will (Motley Fool/Barker) and his testimony was submitted to the CFTC
- and there was a "liberal" Media report that Gold and Silver Prices are being suppressed (Huffington Post / Lewis)
- and a report that a "Silver Short Squeeze could be imminent" (National Inflation Association / Paul)
- And now the New York Post article

[See *******Gold Manipulation OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED******* for more info]


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Most Salient, exposure of The Cartel has continued to widen from the New York Post story to quite wide and negative Mainstream Media Coverage. And Goldman Sachs, widely regarded as a leading member of The Cartel has just been accused of Civil Fraud by the SEC for failing to disclose a Conflict of Interest in mortgage securities.

Even the normally Devoutly Mainstream MoneyNews.com has posted a story: "Gold Trader: Fed Keeping Gold Prices Low" (April 12, 2010).

And well-connected Newsletter writer Dennis Gartman — no friend of "Gold Bugs" -- has recently recommended going long Gold.

But most telling regarding the issue of Cartel Potency are two New Developments:

1. Open interest totals on all Gold contracts shot up from 467,000 on March 30 to 521,000 on April 8. This means the Cartel has met paper Demand with paper Supply. But one wonders how many delivery demands will be made and how many deliveries will actually be made. Reportedly, a major Wall Street Firm recently defaulted on delivery of January mini-Silver Contracts!

2. The Allegation that the London Bullion Market Association has only 1/100 the Physical Gold that they claim they do, is being circulated among the World's largest Purchasers (or at least they believed they were the world's largest purchasers of Physical). If the allegations are true they may own only paper promises. This should lead to greatly intensified demands for actual physical.

We conclude that the aforementioned developments, considered together, will tend to put a higher floor under Precious Metals prices, notwithstanding any Cartel Takedown attempts.
And of course the Precious Metals' Upside Potential is enormous.

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Caveat: None of this is to say The Cartel cannot and will not launch further Takedown Attempts. We expect they will. Indeed today, April 16, as the news of the Goldman Sachs Fraud Charge surfaced Gold was taken down some $30 as we write. In a non-interventional universe, Gold should have risen on this news, ceteris paribus.
But we conclude, given the above, that they will achieve limited and unsustainable Success.

[The takedown of gold on Friday, April 16:



See also the chart below for crystal clear evidence of gold manipulation.
]


Thus we doubt today's Takedown can be sustained very long.
[Agreed. This is an excellent buying opportunity]

So, even though we believe future Takedown attempts could achieve limited success, the odds have changed in favor of us "Gold Bugs".

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In sum, it IS becoming harder and harder for The Cartel to implement successful Takedown attempts, because more and more Investors are becoming convinced, rightly, that they should buy physical Gold and Silver on the dips, and keep it in their own possession or control.
Indeed, today some physical (e.g. Bullion Coins) commands premiums of as much as 20% over the Paper Gold price.

But it is also important to recall that The Cartel's "bottom line" is that it cannot afford for Gold and Silver to be seen as 'go to' assets in the face of a Cartel Takedown of the Equities (or commodities, for that matter) Markets. The Cartel's entire Game Plan depends on the ability to continue to successfully suppress Gold and Silver prices.

Thus Cartel attacks on Gold and Silver will likely continue, but the "floor" down to which their Takedown Attacks can likely take paper prices, has risen. And the Upside of the Precious Metals is extraordinarily great.

Chart of Intraday Gold Manipulation

Sharelynx.com reports about Intraday Gold Manipulation.

Intraday Gold Manipulation

The price plot on the top half of the charts shows the intraday average for the last 4 years - a 2 minute tick 24 hours a day from March 2006 to March 2010. Approximately 1000 days all averaged so as to find any impositions on the price plot. Further below you can see the individual months & years laid out.

Here you can see many random months where the markets can be rising, steady or falling but through all the clutter are the outstanding slides on each of the London fixes. These are the times when the greatest manipulation takes place. Gold is now traded around the clock on electronic trading as well as open outcry. Demand is active all hours of the day across the globe.
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The Market Oracle reports that US economic decay.

Two U.S. Dollar Signposts and Gold Silver Stealth Run
Apr 07, 2010 - 03:48 AM
By: Jim_Willie_CB

While the multitudes debate over whether an economic recovery is coming to the United States, signals sound loudly in harsh tones.
While they point to the recent rise in the USDollar, signals sound loudly in harsh tones. Admittedly the signals are confusing, but they are important. The long-term bond yield for USTreasurys threatens the 4.0% mark. The crude oil price is close to threatening the $100 mark. Sleepy financial market anchors and mavens offer comment, but might miss altogether the significance of the signals. The signals clearly mean great strain on the credit markets still, and gradual decay of the major currencies led by the USDollar.

PREFACE ON MARKET RIGS

The hearings took place two weeks ago.
The news of Andrew Maguire's testimony on March 25th has circled the globe, ringing shrill in the ears of anyone half awake. Maguire is a metals trader from London, but watch somehow that his career takes a turn for the worse. So far the car carrying his torso has been run off the English roads. He still walks and talks, but whistle blowers usually have short lives and shorter careers. Laws protect them, but not from the powerful syndicates. Maguire outlined the corruption in the gold market, and abused domination by JPMorgan in particular. The monolith transmits its signals and enlists the support of a small army of traders who pile atop the price suppression tactics. Despite almost 20 years of complaints lodged with the Commodities Futures Trading Commission, JPMorgan continues to operate with such a high degree of impunity that their staff openly boasts about after their illicit profits are garnered.

Maguire guided the CFTC, headed by Goldman Sachs alumnus Gary Gensler, through recent gold price manipulations before during and after a non-farm jobs report was issued. Maguire outlined in some detail how orders to short gold ar rive in volume over 2500 contracts, designed to overwhelm the market, often when the market is thin.
They are almost always naked short sales, without benefit of bullion posted as collateral. They are executed with the implicit blessing of the USGovt and UKGovt. The trades are not intended to seek the optimal price, but rather to corruptly reduce the market price. The GATA warrior (aka El Cid) named Bill Murphy offered his testimony at the hearings, running fleet footed past the secondary coverage easily. He has submitted many complaints over the past few years, all falling on deaf ears and blind eyes. See the Gold Anti-Trust Action article on the unprecedented hearing, which has been covered by dozens of other web journals. Nowadays, in order to be treated to the actual news, one must rely upon the alternative locations from the internet, like Zero Hedge and their small platoon of Wall Street soldiers in service to the truth.

The US financial markets are slowly being revealed as a series of corrupt Ponzi schemes. The gold market is the vulnerable linchpin for the USDollar and USTreasury markets.That is why gold is so important to be controlled and suppressed. The diverse sanctioned illicit and illegal activity renders it a damaged market screaming to be freed. Some readers and subscribers alike have written to the Jackass email inbox with messages of hope and some satisfaction, in the wake of the Maguire testimony about the CFTC lapses. The meeting organizers might have thought the hedge funds would be blamed for outsized illicit positions, but the blame was squarely place upon JPMorgan and the Big Four firms. The exposure process is long and slow, however. The Goldman Sachs class is still in control of the USGovt purse, still guides funds to Wall Street after first feeding at the trough, still operates as the great vampire squid in search of money pools as Matt Taibbi bravely describes.

The news has circled the globe, finding the financial pages in London and Germany.
Some believe the news is too hot and viral to be reported on the mainstream US press networks. Do not hold your breath for exposure in the Untied States, where the syndicate maintains controlling ownership of the press networks, bringingthem to heel, dictating their many messages, filtering their stories as suitable for coverage, painting patriots as villains and criminals as heroes. But, lest one despair, there is hope that exposure will come as powerfully and broadly as the morning sunrise. The lackey US press might cover the story eventually, but only after almost the entire planet covers it. ...

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The chief nemesis of Gold is the USTreasury, both a US$ instrument and a traded paper security.
THE NEMESIS USTREASURY BOND IS IN TROUBLE. Lately, something seems to have gone awry. The official USTreasury auctions have not turned out well. The direct bids and indirect bids and bound bond dealer participation and bid ratios and accounting all stink to high heaven. Yet regulators are nowhere to be heard. The USDept Treasury even has resorted to a new fictional ledger item called "Households" to hide their vast monetization. ...

... Institutions are not lining up to purchase USTreasurys at auctions. The USGovt with its masters JPMorgan and the USFed are deeply committed to a gigantic circle jerk. They are buying up all the auctioned bonds, hiding the evidence of their trails, using offshore entities to bid, colluding with British bankers in the process, but they are facing a dead end.
They have forced the primary bond dealers into a state of terminal constipation. Then the Chinese have been net sellers in the last few months. Were we not told just last year that the Chinese had no choice but to finance the USGovt debt? Yes, we were, and wrongly so!

The long-term USTreasury Bond yields will not go out of control high, at least not until JPMorgan is dead & buried. The yields might rise a little more, enough to spark a response by the financial syndicate that is Wall Street. They have a new trick in their repertoire. They talk up the optimism and wondrous rescues for the Greek Govt debt, so that volume on auctions rises significantly, enough for Wall Street firms to sell into the rally they assist in creation. Then the Wall Street firms put out news stories that the ugly nasty hedge funds are to blame for the fast decline in those sovereign bonds. Notice how the Greek 10-year Govt bond yield has risen to 7.19% this week, the highest ever. All talk of an aid package is just a ruse for Wall Street to exploit. The other ploy used by Wall Street is an old one. THEY WILL CAUSE A STOCK DECLINE IN ORDER TO PRODUCE FRESH USTREASURY DEMAND. If the financial news networks obediently report the economic recovery that graces the fictional pages of the US press is suffering from non-existence, then the bond demand will grow in a huge way. Even sporadic reports of a return to recession would greatly aid the USTreasurys.

Thus the USGovt has a grandiose vested interest to promote recessions, and they are expert in producing, sustaining, and deepening them. They must after all enable demand to keep the USTreasury Bond bubble alive at near 0%.
They promote the nonsensical contradictory story of a jobless recovery. It should elicit much more laughter, like claims of prevalent virginity at a house of prostitution, like claims of wealth by a indigent street bum who holds a stolen credit card. A quick shift to a temporary recession would be easy.

The USDept Agriculture has reported this week that 39.4 million Americans, the most ever, received food stamps in January. They are participants in the jobless recovery. They are legion, whose recipient numbers are 22% from a year earlier. The total number of Americans receiving the subsidy has reached a record for 14 consecutive months. If one wishes for a whiff of reality, check the February and March reports within the paid Hat Trick Letter. Details on the powerful recession are provided, including home foreclosures, Fannie Mae default and delinquency rates, bankruptcies, municipal bond craters, tax revenue declines, and state budget shortfall crises. ... These aspects are the rotten underbelly of the USEconomy deep in deterioration. It lacks an adequate industrial base [exactly], in case its clueless cast of economists fail to notice. It suffers from debt saturation, which explains why new debt offered in aid r escues cannot succeed in producing much of any benefits.

Despite the fact that USTBond yields will not go out of control on the upside,
what might be growing much worse is the fires in the JPMorgan credit derivative workshop. As long-term rates rise, the Interest Rate Swap contract turns hostile, electric, and viral. Enter leverage in support of trillion$ in debt securities. The USGovt has the hidden credit derivative losses at JPMorgan, at Fannie Mae, and at American Intl Group to contend with. If the accounting were properly reported from basement labs, the new US$ creation might be much more than a measly $200 billion per month seen in the USTreasury issuance. The toll for credit derivative fires might be a few trillion$ per month!!! The truth would kill the USDollar and send gold skyward.

ECONOMIC COST OF RUINED CURRENCIES

The dynamics of the Competing Currency War are truly amazing and fascinating. When the Euro currency shows fundamental weakness, if not turmoil within the union, the USDollar benefits.
Nevermind the $1.5 trillion deficit in 2009 and the similar $1.4 trillion deficit in 2010 that the USGovt must drag along. The USDollar has risen by about 10% against the Euro currency since November. ...

The beneficiary, we are told, of the Euro currency distress, is the USDollar. If the US$ exchange rate indeed was improving with tangible ancillary benefits, then a confirmation would come with gold and the crude oil prices. Gold holds its own, refusing to falter. But the crude oil price has just broken above the $80 mark. It threatens the $90 mark and is a clear lock to hit $100 and cause global shock waves. If the US$ is on the mend, on the rise, gaining ground versus other major currencies, then the crude oil price should be moving toward $50, and not toward $90. What we see demonstrates the broken nature of the major currencies in general, and the USDollar in particular. If the USDollar was returning to health, a breakout in the crude oil price would never happen.

The consequence is not pleasant of a rising crude oil price.
The entire commercial sector of the USEconomy has a cost structure tied to energy costs. The natural gas price is indeed subdued. But crude oil is widely used in the futures markets to hedge against the USDollar. The demand for such hedges has increased. The light sweet Saudi crude oil is no longer available to meet WTIC crude oil contract demands. The rise in the crude oil price for Europeans using the Euro currency is even more pronounced, brought to view in previous articles. The collection of major currencies is under siege, deeply damaged, and subjected to constant debasement. The ongoing credit crisis and strong recession requires a governmental response on all continents. In Europe, the Untied States, Great Britain, and Japan, the printing of new baseless money continues at an astonishing pace. All major currencies are together in a death spiral [I disagree, the fate of the euro isn't sealed yet. If Europe sacrifices its insolvent countries and financial institutions (allows them to fail without bailouts), then the euro can be saved]. One key item of proof is the West Texas Intermediate Crude oil price shown above. When it hits $100 per barrel, listen to the quacky silly lunatic explanations given by the mainstream press and financial arenas. You will not hear any argument that all major currencies are mortally damaged. You will not hear any arguments that the central bank franchise system of monetary management has failed in spectacular fashion. You might even hear that the jobless recovery is strong enough to withstand the greater pressures of higher energy costs.

THE STEALTH RISE IN GOLD & SILVER

... The major currencies are all being diluted in value, while gold remains almost fixed in value.
Seen from the currency point of view, gold is rising. Notice the uptrend in the MACD, which addresses the moving averages and the support offered. The long-term trend is still up, seen in the 200-day MA. The consolidation could be at an end. One thing is for certain. The gold community has been put to sleep. Most investors wait for the breakout in price, only to pay a higher price. They tend not to be savvy and capture the lower price during sleepy times. All claims of a gold price plunge to $900 were stupid and baseless, but were given plenty of airtime. To have a falling gold price when trillion$ of new money is created and dispersed into the ether is pure nonsense, the part & parcel of Wall Street syndicate tenets. Such invalid notions rely upon the goofy discredited deflation argument that circulated.

The gold price is slowly moving up. Its psychological basis is gaining firm strength.
The recognition of ruined major currencies is gaining broader acceptance. The corruption of central banks is being more widely understood. The solutions offered to Europe are not only vacant, but they expose the Untied States and Great Britain to comparisons of equal vulnerability and similar fundamental wreckage. The gold price has made its lows in year 2010. The next important level is $1150. The resumed Quantitative Easing programs in the US and London will soon be given more publicity, more monetary debauchery via rampant dilution. All talk of an Exit Strategy is pure diversion, if not moronic. The USGovt cannot afford to pay higher borrowing costs, nor can the USFed afford to dump its bloated balance sheet on the credit market. Doing so would reveal that there is almost no market for what they hold in leveraged toxic mortgage bonds. Doing so would result in mortgage rates rising another 1% to 2% quickly. Not gonna happen! Instead, mortgage rates will rise 1% on their own without an Exit Strategy, without USFed liquidation of worthless bonds.

My reaction: An increasing number of exposés on gold manipulation are appearing in the mainstream media


Gold manipulation

1) Stories about gold manipulation are slowly making their way into the Mainstream Media.

2) With allegations that the London B ullion Market Association has only 1/100 the Physical Gold that they claim they do, being circulated around the world, the significant demand for physical delivery will results. It is doubtful that struggling bullion banks will be able to meet this increased demand.

3) Reportedly, a major Wall Street Firm recently defaulted on delivery of January mini-Silver Contracts. (warning, I have no idea where this particular information comes from)

4) Past and present intraday gold charts continue to provide clear evidence of manipulation.

5) the gold "Cartel" is failing. Takedown attempts are leading to less and less success. For example, on Friday, April 16, as the news of the Goldman Sachs Fraud Charge surfaced, Gold was taken down only some $30. (Gold should have risen on this news.)

6) The Upside potential of the Precious Metals remains extraordinary.

Missing the bigger significance about looming default on paper gold

Gold bugs (like me) always talk about the coming default on paper gold. A good example of this can be found in the New York Post article above:

Christian said that the LBMA -- the same market Maguire trades in -- has leverage of about 100-1 on the gold bars settled on the exchange. In layman's terms, that means if 100 clients requested their bullion bars be delivered, the exchange could only give one client the precious metal.

While it is true only one client out of hundred would get his precious metal, THIS COMPLETELY MISSES THE BIGGER POINT. Consider that:

A) Investors around the world have hundreds of billions of dollars of gold deposited in London (which is, unknown to them, leveraged 100-1).
B) Bullion Banks, like the rest of Wall Street, are completely insolvent. So while it is true that they have no gold, THEY HAVE NO CASH EITHER.

What do you think is going to happen when investors in paper gold try to move their money out of London? Where exactly are insolvent bullion banks going to come up with the hundreds of billions of dollars their clients are trying to wire out?

Some gold bugs assume that Federal Reserve will print the money bullion banks need, but this isn't a given. The real danger of paper gold is a total default: ending up with nothing, neither gold or cash.

In any case, when investors in paper gold try to move their money, it will bring down the global financial system.


On the Goldman Sachs Fraud Charge

1) Goldman Sachs has just been accused of Civil Fraud by the SEC for failing to disclose a Conflict of Interest in mortgage securities.

2) While it is nice to see something finally happening, to me this is a non-story for several reasons:

A) Nothing new has been revealed. Practically the entire world was already widely aware of this particular Goldman fraud.
B) A trial against means nothing unless it produces results. There are reasons to believe that the US government doesn't have the will to seek and obtain aggressive penalties.
The whole thing could yet be revealed to be a sham aim at placating the masses.
C) Even if the government successful prosecutes Goldman and imposes real penalties, it still doesn't mean anything. Unless the penalties outweigh the tens of billions Goldman has already received through government subsidies, then Goldman will just use money stolen from taxpayer to pay them.
D) Finally, it is far too late in my opinion. The trial against goldman will take months, and the entire US financial system is likely to come apart this summer. This means that there will likely be no real impact from this accusation Civil Fraud by the SEC.


The dollar "rally"

1) The dollar's rally against the euro makes no sense, given the $1.5 trillion deficit in 2009 and the similar $1.4 trillion deficit in 2010 that the USGovt is dragging along. I suspect that the euro is being attacked by US banks through naked short selling.

2) If the USDollar was returning to health, a breakout in the crude oil price would never happen. In other words, If the US$ was trully on the mend and rising versus other major currencies, then the crude oil price would be moving toward $50, and not $90.


US economic disintergration

1) The USDept Agriculture has reported this week that 39.4 million Americans, the most ever, received food stamps in January.

2) The total number of Americans receiving the subsidy has reached a record for 14 consecutive months.

3) The entire commercial sector of the US Economy has a cost structure tied to energy costs. As crude oil prices continue to rise, US companies will be unable to pass on the higher costs to struggling consumers. The commercial sector (80% of the US economy) will implode.

The Federal Reserve and US Treasury are in deep trouble

1) The official USTreasury auctions have not turned out well.

2) All talk of an Exit Strategy from Quantitative Easing is pure fantasy. The USGovt cannot afford to pay higher borrowing costs.

3) In fact, new Quantitative Easing has already begun. The graphic below shows that the Federal Reserve's assets increased to a new record as the Fed bought another 33 billion in mortgage backed securities. (The Fed's growing assets are bought with printed money)




4) The US Government also has the hidden credit derivative losses at JPMorgan, at Fannie Mae, and at American Intl Group to contend with.

Some other points

1) Nowadays, in order to be treated to the actual news, one must rely upon the alternative locations from the internet (like this blog).

2) The nonsensical contradictory story of a jobless recovery is ridiculous.

3) Talk of falling gold prices when trillions of new money is created and dispersed into the ether is pure nonsense.


Conclusion: Things are going to quickly get interesting going forwards. I expect pressure to build going into June until the fireworks start going off.

(I will write about Europe's Volcanic eruption in next entry)

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16 Responses to Gold Manipulation Beginning To Appear In Mainstream Media

  1. Numonic says:

    Eric said...

    "2) With allegations that the London Bullion Market Association has only 1/100 the Physical Gold that they claim they do, being circulated around the world, the significant demand for physical delivery will results. It is doubtful that struggling bullion banks will be able to meet this increased demand."

    As if people invested in gold care about having the physical metal.

    I said this to someone about silver and it can be said for gold too...

    "The whole point of a futures contract is an? investment in silver, meaning you care more about the value of the silver than the silver itself. So people who own futures contracts don't want the physical silver, they only want the value of the silver and they get that from holding the silver contract. If they wanted the physical silver, they would have bought it in the first place instead of buying the silver derivative. So you see everyone who wants physical silver is getting it. "

    Eric said...

    "Some gold bugs assume that Federal Reserve will print the money bullion banks need, but this isn’t a given. The real danger of paper gold is a total default: ending up with nothing, neither gold or cash.

    In any case, when investors in paper gold try to move their money, it will bring down the global financial system."

    As if the govt. and Fed will ALL OF A SUDDEN allow the financial system to fail. First you try to scare people who don't even want the physical gold by saying they won't get the physical gold and when you realize that they want the cash you try to scare them in to believing they won't receive the cash. Give me a break. And people have been saying bailouts will destroy the US$ and yet it still hasn't.

    Yeah check out Eric's previous blog: *******Gold Manipulation OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED*******

    And read my replies as it also applies to gold.

  2. Robert says:

    The problem with the metals markets (and every market it seems) is that if noone is actually getting any metal (or shares or commodities) then price discovery is broken since people can buy infinite amounts of paper and the supply is not restricted.

    This means they are *not* getting the value of the metal since the price discovery is not working.

    The price discovery is based mainly on their aggregate credit lines vs. the fed's infinite credit line.

    It's pretty obvious why the price isn't going up.

    Everyone buying futures contracts should be demanding delivery - chances are their counter-parties will mostly not be able to deliver and will have to settle for a higher price to get out of the contract.

    If lots of people do start doing this though, the fed may well have to give up since they will basically be giving away free money to everyone who asks for it.. that can't be sustainable.

  3. Robert says:

    Btw Eric..

    I've been thinking about Carbon Credits.. they could be an excellent thing for a custodian to short-sell.

    There's never anything tangible to deliver to anyone.

    The customer's account is credited with whatever credits they need to show their auditors.

    The exchange probably does some net-position settlement with whatever they deposit at the exchange.

    The custodian can therefore basically just steal all the customer cash and not have to deliver anything.

    All they have to do is short carbon credits to the same number their clients have bought.

    Either way you get the desired 'oil tax' effect since the end users always have to buy credits - it's just that the custodians can sell infinite numbers of credits and never have to deliver them.. doesn't do anything for the environment but the whole co2 thing is just a narrative to justify an oil tax without mentioning peak oil.

  4. It is likely that the belief of investors that they own gold when they actually only own paper gold has also substantially reduced the demand to hold other commodities as a hedge against inflation. This adds to the overall downward pressure on the prices of gold and other commodities that results from failures to deliver as naked short selling occurs.

    To the extent that gold is generally held for a relatively long time, funds are able to borrow the dollars and foreign currency that they receive from investors for a relatively long time. The length of borrowing can be increased to the extent that as in a Ponzi scheme investor withdrawals are funded by increased investment.

    To the extent that investors believe that even if there is not enough physical gold to back all paper claims that they will be compensated in dollars, the demand to hold other commodities is further decreased. Demand for gold is also reduced to the extent that investors who hold other commodities in paper form believe that they have a hedge against inflation and therefore don’t need to buy gold. Because of this, demand for gold and other commodities can be reduced in proportion to the dollar amount of a large percent of all paper gold and other commodities.

    Many overseas investors buy their paper gold from US funds with foreign currency and there is over 100 times as much paper gold as there is physical gold. If even a small percent of the foreign currency received by funds is borrowed from investors without their knowledge and sold to buy dollars to invest in the US, the impact on dollar strength would be very significant.

    The greater the extent to which this type of naked short selling has occurred, the more likely it is that a fall in either the dollar or rise in gold prices or other commodities could cause panic buying of foreign currency. Increasing positive feedback between a falling dollar and rising prices for gold and other commodities would then occur.

  5. Numonic says:

    Robert, you and some silver/gold bugs either don't get it or you are trying to fool people. Price discovery is not broken. The people who want the physical metal are buying the physical metal and the people who are betting on the physical metal going up are either buying the physical metal or it's derivative. An investment is a bet. When you invest in something, you do so because you believe that that thing will go up in value, basically you are betting that that thing will go up in value. You can do this by either holding the physical or the derivative of the object. Most people choose the derivative because it is easier to buy and sell than it is with the physical. People need to be able to buy and sell things quickly because their beliefs/bets change quickly. When you buy a derivative you are betting the object will go up in value and when you sell a derivative you are betting the object will go down in value.

    Price discovery is not broken. Remember what I said, an investment is a bet. Here is an example. If you are betting on a team to win a basketball game, would you say that the scores of the game were any less fair because you who bet on the game didn't have an influence on how many points were scored by each team? No you wouldn't. So why would you say price discovery is broken because people choose to bet in a way that doesn't influence the value of what they are betting on?

  6. Numonic says:

    Price discovery is not broken and there is no manipulation. Those who want the physical metal are trying(and succeeding) to get the physical metal and those who don't want the physical metal aren't trying to get the physical metal and thus are not receiving the physical metal. The price is being determined by those who are trying to get the physical metal. Just because someone would rather hold the derivative instead of the physical metal, doesn't mean price discovery is broken or there is manipulation. This is capitalism and derivatives are beating physical silver in demand. The best thing to do if you are one who wants more demand for the physical than the derivative is come up with a way to make the physical more enticing than the derivative. Some are doing that with what we call "premiums" but even the premiums are not high enough to entice silver derivative holders to hold the physical. All I'm saying is that price discovery is not broken, it's the free market working. Derivatives make it easier to invest and an easier way to invest is a more profitable way to invest. Unless you can make it more profitable to hold the physical instead of the derivative then you will be loosing the battle. Maybe all of this is part of the battle to get more people to hold the physical instead of the derivative. That move Eric pulled with the not being able to get a cash settlement surely seems like something that would push more people out of derivatives and in to the physical. But it's all fair, this is capitalism, keep em coming and we'll see who wins: the physical or the derivative. In either case it's a win win situation whether you're investing in the physical or the derivative. The benefits of the derivative is that it makes it easier to change bets(buy/sell) which in turn makes it more profitable as those investors are able to place their bets at the right time as opposed to having to find and travel to a coin shop to buy/sell silver/gold each time they believe the value of silver will rise or fall, plus coin shops have different prices which makes it even more difficult to buy/sell on time and for the best result. There has to be an incentive for investors to choose physical silver over the silver derivative. Right now there is none. The chances of gold/silver derivative holders not getting cash settlements when they want is slim because the act would only push more people to physical which would bid the price of physical up. The only way the govt./banks would do that is if the game was totally lost and that they didn't care any more about the price going up. But until that time comes, they will do everything in their power to keep people more interested in holding paper silver than physical silver. I believe we are far from seeing that happen because it is still more profitable to hold paper silver/gold than it is to hold the physical silver/gold despite the premiums on the physical.

  7. Numonic says:

    I do not believe that paper gold/silver investors are ignorant to the fact that there is so much more paper gold than physical gold. Why else would someone invest in gold/silver, whether it be paper or physical if they did not know the supply of what they invested in. They know that the shorts are overleveraged. It is not ignorance that is keeping the paper gold/silver holders from demanding delivery of the physical. It is the fact that it is more profitable to hold the paper gold/silver than it is the physical that is keeping more people holding paper gold/silver than physical.

  8. Robert says:

    Price discovery absolutely is broken.

    If I buy something I expect the supply to be somewhat restricted. If it isn't then I have been defrauded. It's as simple as that.

    We aren't talking about derivatives here. We're talking about people buying what's supposed to be physical gold but isn't.

  9. Numonic says:

    If you guys want to get more people holding physical then you're going to have to do better than that.

  10. Trader says:

    "Gold is money and nothing else"

    This is the most foolish statement I can imagine.

    If you people despise cash that badly, please feel free to transfer it to my account. Thank you.

  11. Jimmy says:

    Katla is awaking... (Big brother vulcano of Eyjafjallajökull)

    Location of the seismic meter is in Godabunga (right of vulcano Katla)

    Katla explained on Wikipedia.

    The eruption of this nearby long-dormant volcano in March and April 2010 prompted fears among some geophysicists that it might trigger an eruption at the larger and more dangerous Katla. In the past, all three known eruptions of Eyjafjallajökull triggered subsequent Katla eruptions.

    Got physical gold against vulcano? ;o)

  12. Numonic says:

    Here is the reason why paper silver is a better investment than physical silver and why that 1% of physical silver demand hasn't come in and squeezed the shorts. I said this to someone else I am arguing with about the situation.

    "The contracts are investments not a means to obtain the physical metal. I agree that it only takes 1% of demand for physical metal to squeeze the shorts but that 1% that buys the physical metal would be loosing money because they'd be paying higher prices with the more physical silver they bought as opposed to those buying paper silver which wouldn't cause the price to rise and thus allow for more profit for paper silver holders IF/WHEN the silver price does rise."

    I can basically buy up as much "silver"/"gold" as I want without causing the price to rise by buying the paper silver/gold and this way when the price does rise from demand of those that NEED the metal(industry) I'll make more profit than someone who went out buying up the physical metal at increasing prices with each buy, leaving less profit for them.

    This is why it is more profitable to hold paper silver than it is to hold physical silver and why there is so much more people holding paper silver than physical silver.

    It's like setting yourself up in the best position for profit. The derivative and the physical metal will have relatively the same price(unless laws are implemented that take profit from those holding the derivative. Which would be a "white flag" move and would only happen after the price has taken off significantly in which case profits of holding the paper metal have already been made). So the physical and the derivative will have the same price but the derivative basically allows you to buy up more silver than you would be able to had you only been able to invest by buying the physical metal. This allows you to reap more profit when the price goes up because it's like you holding more silver than you would be able to had you only been able to invest by buying the physical metal. Whether you consider it manipulation or not, it makes it more enticing and profitable to hold the paper metal over the physical metal. So your job, if you want more demand for the physical metal is to come up with a way that makes it more profitable to hold the physical metal over the paper metal. There is no way to do that so you're only resort is to try to end the paper metal program which I see all of you gold/silver bugs trying to do.

    But other than that, it is also easier to buy/sell paper silver/gold than it is to buy/sell physical silver/gold which is another reason why the paper metal is more profitable than the physical metal.

  13. LOL!...On April 16th, 2010, Gold prices went down approximately $20 in how many hours??? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EZMGVwURo3M/S8sotrZOyKI/AAAAAAAACkM/fs6orfxWj6w/s1600/2010-04-16_gold-730275.gif

    Funny. This will be the most backwards Great Depression the United States will see in our nation's economic/economic news.

  14. Trader says:

    "Gold is money and nothing else."

    The correct translation are:
    1. Gold can be used as money.
    2. Otherwise, it's nothing else.

    :)

    Now, gold is not being used as money. It hadn't been for a few decades already. So... it's "nothing" actually.

    Be careful metal-bugs, you people have no idea what's you gonna get. Life is full of surprise!

  15. miked says:

    Jimmy, do you post that crap everywhere you go? I just saw the same on FOFOA

  16. Numonic says:

    Despite everything I said about paper silver VS physical silver, i still think silver is a great investment and here's why. According to CPM in 1900 the world was estimated to have 12 billion ounces of above ground silver and today there is estimated to be only 1 billion ounces of above ground silver. That is 11 billion ounce of silver gone in 110 years. That's an average of 100 million ounces per year. So if there is only 1 billion ounces of above ground silver left, 100 million in to 1 billion is 10. So we have about 10 years until above ground silver runs out. Got silver? I do.

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